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2020 Sagan Summer Workshop |
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2 |
What
exactly true anomaly meant in reality? |
It's
an angular parameter that defines the position of a planet (or other body)
along its Keplerian orbit. Specifically it is the angle between the direction
of periastron and the current position of the planet, as seen from the centre
of mass |
There
are several quantities that are different from star to star: the radial
component of the true space velocity, the gravitational redshift, and the
convective blueshift (= average of "up" and "down"
motions in convective cells. Besides that, some data reduction packages
compare the stellar RV at a specific time to an average of all spectra of the
same star. In that case, all measured RVs have only a relative meaning. So
gamma has to be determined for each star separately in any case. |
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3 |
How
do we practically measure the gamma term in the RV expression? |
You
measure the RV using a measured spectrum against a spectrum that is
calibrated to the wavelength in the stellar rest frame. |
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4 |
Why
is measuring gamma accurately problematic? After years of doing an RV survey
with a specific instrument (presumably including many planet-less stars),
won’t you have a very good measurement of gamma as well? At least between
stars relatively? |
Convective
blueshift for one will affect it as that is not a motion of the full body,
but of the surface convection cells. Then it still depends on how you extract
the RV, your mask weights for example. |
The
accuracy (not precision) of the absolute RV hinges upon your accuracy of
wavelength calibration on a stellar rest-frame specrtum. This depends on
fundamental astrophysics (line formation, quantum mechanics, etc.). Even in
the Sun, this is very hard to achieve to better than 100 m/s precision, due
to astrophysical processes that change the line shapes like Annelies pointed
out, plus uncertainties in atomic physics / line calibration. |
There
are several quantities that are different from star to star: the radial
component of the true space velocity, the gravitational redshift, and the
convective blueshift (= average of "up" and "down"
motions in convective cells. Besides that, some data reduction packages
compare the stellar RV at a specific time to an average of all spectra of the
same star. In that case, all measured RVs have only a relative meaning. So
gamma has to be determined for each star separately in any case. |
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5 |
What
is periastron? |
The
periastron is the point on the orbit that is closest to the star |
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7 |
Is
the only way to obtain the RV semi amplitude through regression? |
Not
sure what you mean. There are many model fitting techniques you can use to
derive the (K,omega,P,T0,e) set. “Regression” often implies a linear
fit, which you can only do if you know the values of P and e a priori
(because those parameters are nonlinear). |
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8 |
Is
the big M in the mass function the total mass of the system or only the mass
of the star ? What about planets around binaries stars in circumstellar or
close orbits ? |
In
Jason's slides, big M was the mass of the star. You see a M+m term in
the denominator, where M is the star mass and m is the planet mass. In
my slides yesterday I used slightly different terminology: M1+M2; but the
meaning is identical. |
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For
Jason: Can you comment more on what you said about most systems being near
edge-on? I don't get why that is true. |
My
favorite analogy, from a paper by Andrew Howard and BJ Fulton, is that
assuming the orientation of all planetary systems is randomly distributed on
the sky -> uniform distribution of an 3-D angle -> throw a dart
randomly on a globe with equal chance of landing anywhere -> having sini
> 2 is like throwing that dart at Earth, and landing in the polar regions
-> <15% chance. ;) |
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10 |
what
are the typical methods to get the mass of the stars, for the exoplanet
community standards? let’s say from dwarfs? derived from spectra, sed or mass
luminosity relations? |
Via
isochrone analysis using spectroscopically derived photospheric parameters
(temperature, metallicity, ...), magnitudes, and a trigonometric parallax is
a widely used method. |
Do
you know a source that compile these masses? |
Depends
on the sample. Safest thing to do is query Vizier and search the output. For
nearby Sun-like stars, some recent big compilations come from Brewer+2016,
Luck+2017. For M dwarfs, see Mann’s recent papers (especially 2015). For M
dwarfs, one can get good masses from absolute K magnitudes (see calibrations
by Mann+2018, Benedict+2016). Agreement between authors for main sequence
FGKM stars tends to be good (typically <5%) but as soon as the stars
evolve off the MS, and especially for subgiants and giants, the mass
estimates can vary much more. |
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Edge
on systems are statistically more likely. Is this due to the shape of the
galaxy? Have we ever tried a survey looking at a piece of the sky
perpendicular to the disk of the galaxy? |
No.
Systems are randomly oriented in space. This means that the polar axis can
point in any direction with equal probability. But that means it is more
likely nearly orthogonal to your line of sight than close to aligned with
your line of sight, just as there is more "real estate" near the
equator than there is near the pole. |
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You
mentioned that a lot of planets are close to “on edge” with the observer. But
statistically, wouldn’t all i values have the same probability ? |
Yes,
but what we measure is sin i, so it is no longer uniform. |
No.
Each value of cos i is equally probable. Think about it in this way: The
polar axis points to any direction in space with equal probability. But there
is a lot more "real estate" near the equator than near the pole. |
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Jason
Wright’s talk - I thought he said the majority of observed systems are nearly
edge on. Did I catch that right, and if so, why is this true if systems are
randomly oriented? |
"Random
orientation" means that the polar axis (angular momentum vector) points
to any direction of the sky with equal probability. But there is more
"real estate" close to directions perpendicular to your line of
sight than close to the direction along the line of sight, just as there is
more real estate close to the equator than there is close to the pole. |
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Is
there a reason why most systems are edge on? Looking from Earth, shouldn't a
more uniform distribution be expected? |
The
distribution or orientations is uniform in 3D, but in 1D this projects to
being uniform in sin(i), not uniform in i. There are “more ways” for a
random sytem to be edge on than face-on. |
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13 |
Can
we solve for the orbital elements of multiple planets from radial velocity or
astrometric data? |
Yes!
I recommend my paper with Andrew Howard for all the hairy details:
ApJS..182..205W |
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Do
periodic residuals point towards more planets or bodies? |
They
could. It can also be stellar activity, see tomorrow’s talks |
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15 |
How
do you wisely choose your grid in the periodogram? Spacing, number of trail
periods (frequencies), min P, max P? How do you evaluate it based on your
data? |
You
should sample the periodogram as densely as you need to to capture all of the
structure. You can tell empirically by examining the peaks to see if they are
well sampled or not. |
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16 |
Is
there a simple relation to assess if numerical simulations of planet-planet
interactions must computed or if the 2-body approximation remains valid ? |
Not
really; it’s mostly heuristic. But in general, it’s only a big deal in
systems in mean motion resonance (periods are commensurate in a ratio of
small numbers). First order resonances are usually the strongest. |
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17 |
Can
you elaborate on dynamic planet- planet modelling? |
I
didn’t have time to do this, but the essence is that eveny model evaluation
you preform is actually driven by an n-body simulation of the planets and the
star. It can be very computationally expensive! |
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Do
you understand which signal in the periodogram is true and which one false
for the plot? |
This
is a huge topic! You can’t tell just from the plot, you have to compare
models with and without planets, makes sure you have properly accounted for
your noise, and assign probabilities. |
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19 |
You
mentioned that the periastron can precess in the case of two body resonance
so it made me wonder if general relativity orbital precession could also fool
us when analyzing a periodogram ? (hot Jupiters being very close to their
star for instance) |
Thanks
for your question! You are right that GR precession may be detectable for
short-period palnets, particularly those with eccentric orbits. But, the
effect is very small, less than 10 degrees per century change in the argument
of periastron for nearly all known planets |
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20 |
do
the periodograms consider single measurement error when looking for the
signals? |
They
can do, if generalised versions are used |
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21 |
Does
nutation play any important role in modeling? |
Nutation
is a critical component in calculating the barycentric correction (See Wright
and Eastman 2014). That correction is necessary to remove the motion of
the earth from RV measurements that you obtained at different times, and is a
precursor step to the orbital parameter fitting that Jason described. |
No,
I think nutation always has to do with the orientation of a body in space,
not an orbit. The nutation of Earth has a small role in the barycentric
corrections. |
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23 |
Can
Gaia be used for absolute RV |
Yes,
Gaia measures absolute RV, but with an accuracy and precision that is much
poorer than what we need for exoplanets. |
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24 |
How
much more computationally expensive is the N-body dynamical modelling of RVs
compared to Keplerians? |
Lots!
You can solve the 55 Cnc system kinematically (lots of model evaluations!) on
your laptop in a second or so. n-body simulations are much more
expensive (especially if there is a short-period planet) and MCMC work with
them generally involves supercomputers. See Ben Nelson’s paper on 55
Cnc for an example. |
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Where
do I get the CCF mask from? |
One
can either use a "synthetic" mask from stellar model atmospheres
and laboratory data, or use an average of all observed spectra from the star
under consideration. |
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28 |
Why
stellar activities are there in star and how we dignose by line bisector? |
There
are a number of physical phenomena that produce different stellar activity
signals in the RV measurements. We’ll be talking about these in much more
detail (and addressing things like how line bisectors work) during the first
set of talks tomorrow. |
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32 |
What
causes iodine lines? |
You
place a cell of gaseous iodine in the light path of the telescope. So the
light from the star passes through the iodine cell and this imprints the
iodine lines on top of the stellar spectrum |
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33 |
How
low (how precise an RV measurement) can we go with CCFs? I think ESPRESSO has
CCFs so getting by orders RVs from these CCFs for RV timeseries or even
checking on stuffs like Rossiter effect wouldn`t be a good idea, right? |
For
the brightest stars, CCF RVs can be measured with precision of 10cm/s for
ESPRESSO. 0.5 to 1m/s for other state of the art instruments. If stars get
fainter, the precision gets worse of course. |
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35 |
Do
you obtain different LSF across the wavelengths in the forward modelling? |
Ideally
yes, although this can be a difficult quantity to measure. We are
attempting to do so with laser comb spectra, which have lines with very
narrow intrinsic line shape. LFC though rarely cover the entire
spectral range of our spectrometer. Etalons are broader in wavelength
coverage, but also have broader intrinsic line width so are less good for
deriving fundamental LSFs. Once you
have a wavelength/spatial dependent LSF, then you also have to figure out how
to use it. The CCF algorithms get a lot more complicated once you throw
away the assumption of constant LSF. |
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36 |
What
is the physical reason for the instrumental broadening? |
Thanks
for your question. Optical effects, such as diffraction, mean that a real
optical system (like a spectrograph) will generally map even an really tiny,
monochromatic input spot of light into a larger spot on the detector. This
mapping (input illumination shape to detected illumination shape) can be
thought of as a convolution and the kernel is called the specrograph line
spread function (LSF). |
Finite
pixel size, finite slit/fiber size, and camera aberrations usually contribute
to similar magnitudes. |
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37 |
What
can be the possible effects of stellar atmosphere on CCF bisectors? |
See
Heather Cegla’s talk on Wednesday. |
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Are
contamination and noise the same or different? |
I
think contam is things like cosmic rays which leads to noise? |
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We
measure the light coming from the star and the reflected and doppler-shifted
light from the planet. Should the reflected light be considered to reach very
high precision RVs? |
With
EPRV work rarely detect light from the planets (only very close giant planets
to very bright stars), but when we do we are dealing then with a
“double-lined” spectroscopic binary. The velocities of the planets are very
large in this case, and we measure these to relatively high precision (10’s
of m/s, I think). Chad Bender has some nice papers on how to do this. |
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Which
model will be more efficient in determing RV of a close binary system with an
exoplanet/a brown dwarf? |
Do
you mean forward modeling vs. CCF? This is a complex issue, and both
methods can work well for double-lined spectroscopic binaries. |
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Ok
so the exmaple mask in the slides is not realistic then right? The mask looks
more like the actual stellar spectrum at its zero point? |
It
depends - you can either use a stellar template (so comparing your later
observations to a single spectrum of the star that you set as the zero
point), or you can create a binary mask (like what Sharon showed) that allows
you to include only those lines you select as being high quality. This means
you can eliminate lines that are blended, saturated, and/or prone to stellar
variability |
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Are
these spectra affected by the exoplanet's atmosphere (during transit)? |
There can
be small effects from the atmosphere, and there’s a whole field of exoplanet
science focused on this (called transmission spectroscopy) that uses that
fact to try and identify what’s in the planet’s atmosphere. The bigger impact
from and RV point of view, however, is that during transit the planet blocks
out parts of the star’s surface which changes the RV signal. This is called
the Rossiter-Mclaughlin effect and it can be used to infer the spin-orbit
alignment of the sytem. There are a bunch of paper’s on these kinds of
measurements, but here’s a nice review:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/S1743921311020230 |
I
was aware of transmission spectroscopy but not the Rossiter-Mclaughlin
effect. |
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44 |
We
ideally would not need blaze correction to determine RVs. Still, what is the
best way to incorporate this correction. Dividing the blaze doesnt work
always for less S/N data. |
One
needs a blaze correction in the data reduction because the blaze function
introduces a slight shift of the line center - the spectrograph is a little
more sensitive on one side of the line than on the other. This by itself
would not be a problem, but the annual variation of the barycentric
correction (the space velocity of the Earth) makes the lines slide up and
down the blaze function, and that leads to an annual change of the shift. |
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How
does not removing the blaze function affect measurements? |
The
blaze function introduces a slight shift of lines, as the spectrograph is a
little more sensitive in one line wing than in the other. This by itself
would not be a problem, but the annual variation of the barycentric
correction slides the lines up and down the blaze function. So not removing
it causes a slight variation of the line center in sync with the variation of
the barycentric correction. |
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There
is also posibble contamination from other close stars (few arcsec
separation and poor seeing) |
Certainly!
There is also possible contamination from faint, wide binary companions you
don’t even know about. Such a situation bit is in the MARVELS-1 system:
ApJ 770, 2 |
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46 |
When
getting the final RV for an epoch from multiple echelle spectral orders, is
there any difference (advantages/disadvantages) between combining the
individual RVs per order and combining the CCFs to extract the RV once? |
Generally
we determine the RV using the entire spectral range because this increases
the SNR of the measurement (more lines = more RV information) and often times
the RV precision that can be obtained with just a single order isn’t very
high. But there’s been some interesting work done recently looking at
order-by-order measurements as a way to look for chromatic effects in RVs
(see, e.g. https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2018A%26A...609A..12Z/abstract)
which can be used to differentiate between Keplerian signals (which should
have the same RV amplitude at any wavelength) and stellar variability (the
amplitude of which varies as a function of wavelength) |
In
priniciple, the doppler shift is the same in all orders, so you could do it
either way. In practice, different orders (or even different *parts* of
orders) will exhibit different zero points, depending on the method
used. So most methods measure the *change* in the RV separately for
each order, and then perform some sort of weighting based on which sections
of the spectrum are most indicative of the true shift. |
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Is
the solar contamination by the lunar reflection expected to produce power in
periodogram at preferentially period as 28 days for instance ? |
It
can, but it will also depend on when you happen to get telescope time,
whether your star is near the ecliptic, whether you observe near twilight,
and how much Mie scattering there is in the atmosphere (dust, cirrus). |
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Excited
to read your new paper! For the telluric correction test where you also
considered a wrong telluric profile - how different were the line profiles in
terms of residual error? Were there line strength cut offs after which a
telluric line was masked? |
Great
question. The residual is roughly around a couple of percent in RMS, mimicing
the typical precision we could model tellurics these days, as you know. The
amplitudes of this residual can be as large as 5% or maybe a bit larger, in
reality. The way we mimic this “wrong profile” to represent our lack of
knowledge on the Earth’s atmosphere is to use the telluric line profiles for
Mauna Kea to fit for tellurics generated for Kitt Peak. We did not mask any
telluric lines or regions with large modeling residuals. That’s a good point
- perhaps one should… |
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How
does the sky fiber help, to remove solar contamination, the signal from the
sky fiber may be poor? |
Yes,
the idea is that you use the sky fiber to obtain a simultaneous spectrum of
the local sky (due to moon light, sky glow, etc). You are right that a pretty
high S/N is required in the sky spectrum to do any useful correction of your
science specrum. |
Fortunately,
we know the solar spectrum extremely well (the biggest uncertainty is the RV
shift from the air) so we only need to know an integrated estimate of the
brightness in broad bandpasses. |
If
you have sunlight reflected by the moon (and perhaps reflected again by a
cloud), you get (nearly) the same amount of that light into the stellar fiber
and in the sky fiber. |
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How
important is it to use a mask of the exact stellar type of the target if
using a synthetic mask? For example, different subclasses between the mask
and target? |
While
obviously a mask that "perfectly" matches your target star is
ideal, it's also not realistic. We tend to use a small number of masks
(3-5) with temperature steps of 500-1000 deg between them. This is an
approximation, but one that does not dominate at 1 m/s precisions. |
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52 |
modeling
the telluric lines is hard on M-dwarfs, how we can compute reliable RV in we
dont have a good model for the these lines?? |
Cullen
Blake is going to give a whole talk on exactly this topic tomorrow, so he’ll
provide details there. But it’s a work in progress, and one that is becoming
more and more important as instruments push further into the Red and NIR
wavelength regions where telluric lines are more prominent |
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53 |
What
is a Reduced Julian Date (RJD)? |
Astronomers
use Julian date (JD), which is just a counter of the days from a certain
starting date. Since this counter is large, one can subtract 2400000. That's
RJD. It is often used to make plots less busy. |
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54 |
Object
and sky are sampled by different fibers, what accuracy we need to subtract
the sky |
Depends
on what you’re trying to observe. Solar contaminaiton in a clear sky
and oxygen lines are pretty slowly varying so sky fibers are pretty
reliable. Water vapor is another story, and can be very hard to handle. Arpita Roy’s paper has a lot of great
detail on how well solar contamination needs to be done:
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020AJ....159..161R/abstract |
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55 |
Would
be it false to select, for the number planet ,the « knee» of the chi_2
curve as currently performed for the number of principals components with PCA
? |
It
would be ad hoc, rather than a method with a sound statistical method.
That said, it wouldn't necessarily give the wrong answer. But one would
need to perform lots of tests to understand under what conditions such a
procedure gives reasonable "answers". |
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Is
the prior similar to the initial guess of the fit ? Could the best fitted
solutions converge outside the prior or would such solutions be penalized in
some way ? |
They
are penalized. In Bayesian statistics, the probability distribution of
the fitted parameters (the posterior) is constrained by a combination of the
data (the evidence) and the prior. In regions where the prior is zero
the posterior is also zero. |
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If
you had a massive EPRV survey running, such as TESS or Kepler, with massive
amounts of data coming in from one facility, how would you define an initial
“detection alarm” for a planet signal? (considering computational efficiency,
automatization and minimizing false positives) |
The
Kepler pipeline set its detection threshold so as to expect one _statistical_
false positive out of all the planet search targets, _if_ the noise (after a
pre-whitening process) were Gaussian. |
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How
we can know/select the best model for the GP? |
Applying
different GP kernels to many simulated datasets can allow you to evaluate
which GP kernels perform well for your purposes. Christian Gilbertson
(grad student in my group at Penn State) has been working on this and found
interesting results. Some kernels do perform slightly better than the
quaesi-periodic kernel for solar-like variability (at least based on SOAP 2.0
simulated spectra). A draft is coming soon (once Christian gets back
from his summer internship). |
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67 |
What
is effect of uncorrected atmospheric dispersion correction that is variable
with time on the RV signal |
This
is complicated. What will happen if you don't have a good ADC (or any
ADC) is that light at different wavelengths will not be injected into your
spectrograph in the same way. However, this will depend on the altitude
that each observation is happening at. Say you have a spectrum with a
lot of strong lines in the blue. If you observe at different airmasses
without an ADC, then the SNR from those lines will be varying.
Additionally, if your fiber scrambling is not perfect, the chromatic 'spot'
of the star on the fiber tip will also move as the altitude changes.
That will result in chromatic RV shifts in your spectrum that depend on the
altitude angle. |
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Is
there a criteria to choose a kernel for the Gaussian process? |
Are
these results available already? Would be interesting to look in detail |
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They're coming soon (once Christian gets back from his summer
internship). |
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Regarding
using GPs for planets with periods similar to stellar activity periods, would
you recommend using alternative parametric methods to obtain basic parameters
for each system in blind searches and then using GPs to refine these, or can
you use a two-step GP process? |
Could
you clarify what you mean by "basic parameters for each
system"? What steps are you proposing be split up? |
I
was considering rotation/potential planet periods, amplitude of stellar
activity etc, to act as more informative prioers for a GP fit. |
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73 |
Jason,
when applying the barycentric corrections, is it better to correct the
spectra and then calculate doppler shift, or apply to the final doppler
shift? in the first option, is it necessary to interpolate the flux when
shifting the wavelength range (since the pixels were measured to be sensitive
to a certain wavelength) |
Definitely
don't “correct” the spectrum, except perhaps by shifting the wavelength
solution in a precisely known way. Any process that includes
interpolation can introduce lots of trouble at the precisions we care about. |
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Does
telluric absorption and emission (as in the ones corrected for in todays
second live talk) strongly depend on atmospheric changes and seeing? Are
they not corrected by usual correction techniques used in all
observations? |
Yes,
tellurics are strongly depednent on atmospheric conditions which could vary
on timescales as short as even minutes (e.g. recent work by Cullen Blake and
co.), and certaint vary w.r.t. line of sight / airmass and so on. They are
corrected to various degrees with traditional methods like taking telluric
standard frames and sky frames etc., but the question is “to what RV
precision”. That’s the motivation for more sophisticated methods for
correction, as we aim for 10 cm/s precision and better. |
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80 |
What
is your opinion about RV measurements in binaries? What are the real
limitations of detecting planets around close binaries such those discoveried
by Kepler (periods of binary around 10 days, with period of planets around
100 days) ? |
Circumbinary
planets are more challenging because you have *two* sets of stellar lines to
account for, and you are looking for a variation in their common center of
mass due to the planet. This is a more complex problem and usually results in
lower overall RV precision. Binaries with 10 day periods will also have
other nasty effects from tidal interactions, that may interfere with the
measurements. In general, single-star RVs will always be “cleaner”. |
I
think that tidal interaction is not such important, as we can see in Kepler
binaries. I think that maybe the main constrain is dopler-modelling of
binaries as first stage. |
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82 |
(I`m
not super familiar with GP) is it possible to use GP for extracting RVs from
CCFs? Perhaps using the gaussian fit as prior. Would we get a more accurate
and precise RV value compared to only fitting a gaussian? |
If
you already have a CCF, you just need to find the peak location/arg max to
get out an RV - no need for a GP to do the peak finding bit. You could e.g.
fit a Gaussian or parabola to the CCF instead. |
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83 |
What
is need of spectrograph to be maintained in stable pressure and temperature
condition? |
Changing
pressure of the atmosphere inside of the spectrograph changes the index of
refraction. Changing temperature causes the glasses and metals used in
the spectrograph construction to expand or contract, which changes how the
light beams hit them and results in RV shifts. |
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84 |
What
is your take for the future, will we have a standardized method or are new
promising statistical tools on the way ? |
I
think that both on the extraction the RV from the spectra and the analysis of
the RV time series, we’re far from having explored everything. In my opinion,
it is likely we’ll make significant progress |
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85 |
GPs
have the danger to overfit data. I find it sometimes really difficult to
decide how much one should constrain the GP hyperparameters, e.g., by using
photometric rotation periods for example, especially since the effect of each
hyperparameter can be captured by an other one, e.g. a faster decay of the GP
model can reduce the harmonic complexity and vice versa (degeneracy). Is
there any kind of metric (except for the log-likelihood or evidence of the
posterior samples), which could help to define how flexible or constrained a
GP should be to model stellar activity? And what about instrumental
systematics, there should be a kernel component for such red-noise, too,
which would make the GP even more flexible. This would be especially
important for finding planetary signals hidden behind stellar activity. |
It's
hard to overfit with GPs - GP likelihood actually includes a built-in
complexity penalty term - but quite easy to fit the wrong signal (e.g.
planets instead of activity). In the example you gave, it'd be better to
model photometry simultaneously with RVs, using a GP, rather than just
condensing all the info in the photometry to e.g. a constraint on your GP
period. That aside, there are many sensible ways to constrain GP
hyper-parameters. E.g. evolution time scale must be longer than a single
period, else the GP model is not even quasi-periodic. Harmonic complexity can
be constrained by geometrical considerations/simulations with rotating active
regions; extremely complex signals are very unlikely. Etc. The most general/robust way I can think of
to quantify whether the use of GP is justified/necessary at all would be
comparing Bayesian evidence for a model with and without the GP |
Also
it's worth remembering that the problem cuts both ways: if you have activity
present and you *don't* model it adequately, your Keplerian terms (i.e.
planets) might well absorb some of the activity variability and inflate |
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86 |
If
we do not find any statistically significant peak in the Generlaized
Lomb-Sacrgle periodogram, Is there any possibility of the presence of
additional companion in extra-solar planetary system? |
Certainly!
There are likely many orbiting bodies at an amplitude too low to see, or
there maby be a planet at a very long period or high eccentricity. |
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87 |
Sometimes
stellar activity indicators such as Ca II HK or H-alpha or BIS, etc. How does
one make the choose? |
Look
at all of them. If one (or several) of them shows a periodicity identical to
the RV, the RV signal is very likely due to stellar activity, not to an
exoplanet. |
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88 |
Question
for Vinesh: can you elaborate a bit more in what ways one can prevent the GP
from absorbing too much of the planet signal? |
Fitting a GP simultaneously to RVs + activity-sensitive
time series (e.g. BIS, Calcium HK, CCF FWHM, photometry), and allowing the GP
only to fit signals present both in the activity-sensitive time series and
the RVs. NB this ins't the same as just setting a prior on (e.g.) GP period
hyper-parameter. Also worth
remembering that the problem cuts both ways: if you have activity present and
you *don't* model it, your Keplerian terms (i.e. planets) might well absorb
some of the activity variability and inflate. Reference:
https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/stv1428 |
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90 |
what
is 5150,5155 used for |
That
is just a wavelength range in Angstroms chosen for convenience for the zoomed
in plot. |
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92 |
is
there any benefit on oversampling the spectra when transforming to log-linear
grid? |
Yes,
it can be helpful to oversample the spectrum a bit, maybe 2x-4x. However, the
interpolation technique is really important. It can have a major impact and
actually bias your RVs. Best to test different techniques on simulated
spectrum. |
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While
taking the FFT, how would you deal with the high frequency noise in real
data? Should you use a taper or window function? |
This
is a good question that none of us really know the answer to. In a lot of cases the template/reference is
noiseless but of course the data are not. Ultimately, I believe this
manifests as noise in the CCF and the peak finding algorithm has to deal with
that noise. |
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Why
do we need a log wavelength axis for the CCFs? |
The
canonical answer for this is Tonry & Davis 1979 AJ 84 1511.
However, for a binary CCF mask approach we often don't use this. |
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Are
there other spectral window functions other than deltas which are used while
sampling? If so how does one choose? Whats criteria |
Yes,
sometimes Gaussians are used, or a real observed spectrum (sort of what we do
in the notebook). There are pros and cons for each. Its best to try several
different masks and see how your choice changes the result. |
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In
this notebook, how would I estimate the uncertainty ? do I want to fit a
gaussian around the peak corr and get the spread ? |
Yep,
thats definitely a viable technique. There isn’t one right answer here. |
You
might find astropy.modeling handy here. Take a look at “models” and
“fitting”. |
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106 |
Can
I ask you a question a bit out of context?
So I am a freshman undergraduate and I didn't actually understand
everything you've taught. So, can you tell me like how should I start
learning about exoplanets to reach the level of understanding of this
webinar? |
One
reference I found very useful to get a broad overview of exoplanets is ‘The
Exoplanet Handbook’ by Michael Perryman:
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2018exha.book.....P/abstract |
There is also the “Handbook of Exoplanets,” which you can
access for free on arxiv.org (chapters are posted separately), but may be
more techincal. |
Josh
Winn’s Great Courses lectures on exoplanets is also a great overview of the
field for beginners. As a relative new comer to the field myself, I would
also recommend reading papers and emailing authors for clarification as
needed. That’s what has helped me most. I’m guessing a lot of your
difficulties with these talks is the terminology and methods which you can
learn through papers. Mayor and Queloz 1995 (the 51 Peg discovery) is a nice
place to start. |
Also
check out the astronomy reading seminar by Cooke et al. 2020 for help with
reading papers. |
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107 |
Will
the correct answers to the activity be given at some point? |
Yes,
I’ll make sure there is an answer key version of the notebook up in the repo
before the end of the week. |
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108 |
How
can we find the habitable zone of a star? |
I
suggest saving this until Thursday, and asking Jim Kasting. He created
the concept of the HZ many years ago. |
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110 |
If
the exoplanets do have moon(s), how would this moons and planets system
affect the stars wobble? |
The
star will be tugged by the center of mass of the planet-moon system. So you
would simply see this as a larger amplitude signal (to first order). There
are subtle effects, but these would be very difficult to disentangle from
orbital paramters like eccentricity and/or other planets in the system. |
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113 |
Concerning
the gamma term. If we are observing the same star with different instrument,
is the offset between these RV sets coming almost entirely from the
instrument? The stellar contribution is quite unpredictable and hard to
derive, right? how do we account for this so that in the end we could get an
absolute RV measurement? Or we do not need to know gamma for absolute RVs? |
These
are the zero point correction? |
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are
there any planets which are found around a star in binary system ? |
Yes
there are, you can check Amaury Triaud’s papers for instance |
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120 |
can
you explain why we need to build the spline object for resampling the model
spectrum? |
This
is simply the way the Python package works, in fact there are other Python
packages/modules that do this in a way that don’t reaquire you to initialize
that object first. |
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122 |
As
mentioned in one of the talks, we can only find the minimum mass of the
planet and its was also mentioned for an object to be a exoplanet mass should
be less than 15 jupiter mass. Is there any possibility that an object which
was classified as a planet might be a brown dwarf ? |
Yes,
this does happen. I highlighted on example yesterday in my talk -
Latham's planet from 1989 was recently determined by GAIA to have a very face
on inclination (~5 deg). That moved it from planet to low-mass star
mass regime. |
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125 |
How
does the detection of exoplanets help to understand the large scale
picture of universe ? |
By
helping understand the frequency of other planets like our own. |
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128 |
Assuming
we're able to detect planets in another galaxy, do we still just need to do
the regular corrections for instance baricentric or somehow should we need to
take into account the sun's velocity through the galaxy. What about the
galaxy intrinsic velocity and stellar velocity around its host galaxy... ? |
probably
general relativity as well (?) |
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How
accurate the radius values that we calculate for the planets using RV? |
RV
gives you mass, not radius. It is usually accurate to about 20%, but that
depends on the particular planet and star system. |
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